Personal Ideology through a Comic/Tragic Frame

I know that Burke's Burke's frames are not designed to produce "truth" in some empirical sense, but I wonder if in applying them if something like "untruth" or "less truth" can be one of the effects. The tragic/comic frames seem to apply mainly to agents; those who have agency and, more importantly in this case, intention. Intention is interpreted in two major ways: as well-intentioned but rhetorically "mistaken" or self-serving and rhetorically savvy. In an attempt to understand these frames better, been applying Burke's tragicomic frames to a number of "texts" I've encountered this week. The first is the ongoing "text" of the Brittany Spears saga. In this case, I'm positing the popular media as the agent. The tragic frame might suggest that the popular media is exploiting Spears to sell magazines (quite successfully). The comic frame suggests that the popular media believes that the Spears' life is "news" and that they are providing entertainment (a social good) by covering her every move. Another text I considered is the recent Blackwater scandal. I'm positing the agent as Blackwater itself. The tragic frame indicates that the corporation willfully indulged in slipshod hiring practices in order to get together a security force together quickly (if not cheaply); it suggests that Blackwater's motivation was greed and its effect irresponsibility. The comic frame would produce a view of Blackwater as a hapless victim of circumstance; Blackwater intended to produce quickly and under difficult exigencies a strong security force. The corporation should not be held accountable for the unfortunate decisions of a single employee.

I suppose what I'm suggesting is that the tragic frame may indicate a pessimistic auditor while the comic indicates an an optimistic one. Why, then, does the tragic view frequently appear more "right" to me? Am I conservative in the sense that I believe in "personal responsibility"? Do I invest more value in the agent's "agency" than is realistic? In other words, I wonder if we can judge ourselves by how we would apply or what we would see when we apply Burke's tragic/comic frames?

Duder's picture

Not sure?

I’m not sure if there is a solid right or wrong when discussing the frames because they seem to be based around historical interpretations of “attitudes.” It seems, and I might be wrong here, that “true” and “untrue” are really representations on a larger structure of cooperation. So you might be right, the “tragic frame” does seem to be more “right" in some instances, but when we look back it may appear to be more “wrong” depending on our cooperative attitudes. What do think?

Dee, I like your question

Dee,

I like your question about the "untruth" or "less truth" to which the applications of Burke's frames may offer. I would like to know why the tragic view appears as more "right" to you. Is it because it refers to the "cosmic man" (42), it involves a tragic hero who is a scapegoat that is punished? According to Burke, comedy encourages us to examine ourselves and thus offers the possibility for the "man in society(4) to transcend. Would you agree that comedy teaches us responsibility but not in a punitive way?

LKC's picture

I've been trying not to come

I've been trying not to come to understand the terms comic and tragic by relying to heavily on what I learned about the words when I was studying Shakespeare. But I also think that Shakespeare's plays have definitely influenced the way I see those particular words. I know that society sees the tragedies as deeper and more meaningful than the comedies when it comes to Shakespeare. _Othello_ has more value than _A Midsummer Night's Dream_ according to this system of thought (and I can just see Robin Williams drawing a chart about it and then telling us to tear that chapter out of our books...). But in my own experience I find that I value something termed 'tragedy' more than I value 'comedy' because conventional wisdom says that tragic plots offer us a depth and an opportunity to learn while a comedy is just a bunch of happy-go-lucky fluff.